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	<title>Comments on: Can&#8217;t See the Forest for the Bush</title>
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		<title>By: Marni Grossman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marni Grossman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erika- you have the better revenge, I think: airing their foibles in a public forum.</description>
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		<title>By: Phat B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phat B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They're trimming the brush on the hillside behind my place in Southern California right now.  Our part of the world is on fire all the time.  We're more of a desert, so they use these goddamn industrial gas-powered trimmers at 7am on the brush.  If these guys wake me up one more time, I'm giving them a show from my window.  Fruit bowl against the glass ought to do it, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re trimming the brush on the hillside behind my place in Southern California right now.  Our part of the world is on fire all the time.  We&#8217;re more of a desert, so they use these goddamn industrial gas-powered trimmers at 7am on the brush.  If these guys wake me up one more time, I&#8217;m giving them a show from my window.  Fruit bowl against the glass ought to do it, no?</p>
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		<title>By: Erika Rae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erika Rae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like that image, Josie. Up here that privacy screen is what makes good neighbors, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like that image, Josie. Up here that privacy screen is what makes good neighbors, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Erika Rae</title>
		<link>http://www.thenervousbreakdown.com/erae/2009/11/cant-see-the-forest-for-the-bush/#comment-35240</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika Rae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh man - see, I am currently that woman with the baby. Ha! I should've tried the mama bear charge. It might have at least made the think twice. 

Go Robin!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh man - see, I am currently that woman with the baby. Ha! I should&#8217;ve tried the mama bear charge. It might have at least made the think twice. </p>
<p>Go Robin!</p>
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		<title>By: Erika Rae</title>
		<link>http://www.thenervousbreakdown.com/erae/2009/11/cant-see-the-forest-for-the-bush/#comment-35237</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika Rae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah yes, the McSuburbs. I've done my time there, too. ( :

I took out a wall once with a sledge hammer. Hard work! Not sure I have such fond memories as you. Hahaha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes, the McSuburbs. I&#8217;ve done my time there, too. ( :</p>
<p>I took out a wall once with a sledge hammer. Hard work! Not sure I have such fond memories as you. Hahaha.</p>
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		<title>By: Erika Rae</title>
		<link>http://www.thenervousbreakdown.com/erae/2009/11/cant-see-the-forest-for-the-bush/#comment-35236</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika Rae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha! (I might have been joking about the drunk part.)

You're so right about the need to thin trees in general. It's a real problem. We've prevented the natural fires for so long, it's out of control. My point is not that the forests don't need thinning. I actually agree with a lot of these efforts. What I don't like is what appears to be a lack of any real planning. Here is my bullet point list:

1) No distinction btwn trees which are heartier, more fire resistant, more beetle resistant and those which are not. In a thinning effort (as opposed to completely clearing a space) some distinction ought to be made. They took out perfectly healthy trees of this former description, while in some cases leaving the old, scraggly trees standing.

2)They left the trunks and slash on the ground in the PEAK of the fire season up here. Late fall. Its been on the ground for a month and a half now. We do have snow now but this is a recent development. As an adjacent property owner, I have heard of no plans to remove said slash aside from inviting the public to pay per cord to remove wood themselves. As of today, I have seen no members of the public who have been willing to pay to remove their own wood.

3) This particular policy was developed in the face of heavy lobbying from the logging industry. The only reason the loggers aren't picking up the wood that was cut here is that they don't want it (it's not up to par for them in this region). The problem with loggers helping to shape this plan, though, is that it was developed partially to help *them* without a deeper look into the needs of individual communities.

4) I pointed this out above, but I think it merits repeating: we already have a fire break about a quarter of a mile behind the house. This was put in after a forest fire about 20 years ago up here. The trees that burned are still there, too. Both of these factors together make this area far more fire resistant for another fire. It's already burned and we already have a fire break. I firmly believe that had this been evaluated, the powers that be would have determined cutting so near the houses is redundant. This policy was a blanket policy to be carried out for all adjacent property owners in the US, without regard for any other factors.

5) Beetles. Cut trees attract beetles. If these trees are not disposed of properly and in good time, they WILL attract beetles when the warm weather returns. (We've had horrible problems with beetles on the western slope already.) We have so far had a mild beetle problem here - but with the amount of fresh sap, we may very likely face what some of the areas in Summit County have seen - devastation of the forests. Not only will beetles kill of most of the remaining trees, but - you guessed it - those dead trees will be an enormous fire hazard. Much worse than had they left this segment of the forest alone.

All in all, this policy *sounds* great. It sounds like something we need. The problem is that the practicality of the situation does not meet the theory. It's an application of a policy to every forest, regardless of individual circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha! (I might have been joking about the drunk part.)</p>
<p>You&#8217;re so right about the need to thin trees in general. It&#8217;s a real problem. We&#8217;ve prevented the natural fires for so long, it&#8217;s out of control. My point is not that the forests don&#8217;t need thinning. I actually agree with a lot of these efforts. What I don&#8217;t like is what appears to be a lack of any real planning. Here is my bullet point list:</p>
<p>1) No distinction btwn trees which are heartier, more fire resistant, more beetle resistant and those which are not. In a thinning effort (as opposed to completely clearing a space) some distinction ought to be made. They took out perfectly healthy trees of this former description, while in some cases leaving the old, scraggly trees standing.</p>
<p>2)They left the trunks and slash on the ground in the PEAK of the fire season up here. Late fall. Its been on the ground for a month and a half now. We do have snow now but this is a recent development. As an adjacent property owner, I have heard of no plans to remove said slash aside from inviting the public to pay per cord to remove wood themselves. As of today, I have seen no members of the public who have been willing to pay to remove their own wood.</p>
<p>3) This particular policy was developed in the face of heavy lobbying from the logging industry. The only reason the loggers aren&#8217;t picking up the wood that was cut here is that they don&#8217;t want it (it&#8217;s not up to par for them in this region). The problem with loggers helping to shape this plan, though, is that it was developed partially to help *them* without a deeper look into the needs of individual communities.</p>
<p>4) I pointed this out above, but I think it merits repeating: we already have a fire break about a quarter of a mile behind the house. This was put in after a forest fire about 20 years ago up here. The trees that burned are still there, too. Both of these factors together make this area far more fire resistant for another fire. It&#8217;s already burned and we already have a fire break. I firmly believe that had this been evaluated, the powers that be would have determined cutting so near the houses is redundant. This policy was a blanket policy to be carried out for all adjacent property owners in the US, without regard for any other factors.</p>
<p>5) Beetles. Cut trees attract beetles. If these trees are not disposed of properly and in good time, they WILL attract beetles when the warm weather returns. (We&#8217;ve had horrible problems with beetles on the western slope already.) We have so far had a mild beetle problem here - but with the amount of fresh sap, we may very likely face what some of the areas in Summit County have seen - devastation of the forests. Not only will beetles kill of most of the remaining trees, but - you guessed it - those dead trees will be an enormous fire hazard. Much worse than had they left this segment of the forest alone.</p>
<p>All in all, this policy *sounds* great. It sounds like something we need. The problem is that the practicality of the situation does not meet the theory. It&#8217;s an application of a policy to every forest, regardless of individual circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: josie</title>
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		<dc:creator>josie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up in logging country. And even tho cutting down trees was their business there wasn't a person in the whole valley that would destroy the green belt between them and their neighbors. That green screen is what allowed communes of people dancing naked under the moon to peacefully live next to preachers. I'd be for talking with the neighbors before it's too late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up in logging country. And even tho cutting down trees was their business there wasn&#8217;t a person in the whole valley that would destroy the green belt between them and their neighbors. That green screen is what allowed communes of people dancing naked under the moon to peacefully live next to preachers. I&#8217;d be for talking with the neighbors before it&#8217;s too late.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Antalek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Antalek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Living in the city with a newborn eighteen years ago and I cherished the view out my front windows of a lacy locust tree, since I spent so many of my hours with said newborn in my arms as I wore a path back and forth in front of those windows... then came the day when a crew (swat team) from the city showed up and began an arbitrary trimming process that left the tree looking like a bad shag haircut from the seventies.  I ran out the front door and down the steps with my baby in my arms screaming at them to stop.  Behold the power of a new mama that is sleep deprived.  I have never seen men deactivate their chain saws so quickly in my life.... of course my hair hadn't been washed in a week and I am pretty sure the t-shirt I was wearing  (my husband's) was stained with (among other things) puddles of breast milk when my rage activated the pumps.  I think your husband may be onto something!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Living in the city with a newborn eighteen years ago and I cherished the view out my front windows of a lacy locust tree, since I spent so many of my hours with said newborn in my arms as I wore a path back and forth in front of those windows&#8230; then came the day when a crew (swat team) from the city showed up and began an arbitrary trimming process that left the tree looking like a bad shag haircut from the seventies.  I ran out the front door and down the steps with my baby in my arms screaming at them to stop.  Behold the power of a new mama that is sleep deprived.  I have never seen men deactivate their chain saws so quickly in my life&#8230;. of course my hair hadn&#8217;t been washed in a week and I am pretty sure the t-shirt I was wearing  (my husband&#8217;s) was stained with (among other things) puddles of breast milk when my rage activated the pumps.  I think your husband may be onto something!</p>
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		<title>By: Kimberly M. Wetherell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimberly M. Wetherell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do it! Do it! Do it!!

We still need a short film for the TNB TV segment of TNBLE-NYC on Dec 11th.  Purdy &lt;i&gt;pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesae???&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do it! Do it! Do it!!</p>
<p>We still need a short film for the TNB TV segment of TNBLE-NYC on Dec 11th.  Purdy <i>pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesae???</i></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Cox</title>
		<link>http://www.thenervousbreakdown.com/erae/2009/11/cant-see-the-forest-for-the-bush/#comment-35189</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, from what I understand the entire Western U.S. suffers from this overthick forest problem, which will just lead to worse fires in the future. Of course that doesn't excuse anyone from leaving trees and branches on the ground.

Either way, since you're drunk it's probably pointless to debate logic at this point. Right? :-P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, from what I understand the entire Western U.S. suffers from this overthick forest problem, which will just lead to worse fires in the future. Of course that doesn&#8217;t excuse anyone from leaving trees and branches on the ground.</p>
<p>Either way, since you&#8217;re drunk it&#8217;s probably pointless to debate logic at this point. Right? <img src='http://www.thenervousbreakdown.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Erika Rae</title>
		<link>http://www.thenervousbreakdown.com/erae/2009/11/cant-see-the-forest-for-the-bush/#comment-35188</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika Rae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. On a case by case basis. In our case, no. We actually already have a fire break about 1/4 mile in. And besides, THEY LEFT THE TREES AND BRANCHES ON THE GROUND. Trying to see logic. I see no logic. Go Bush. [queue kazoo music]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. On a case by case basis. In our case, no. We actually already have a fire break about 1/4 mile in. And besides, THEY LEFT THE TREES AND BRANCHES ON THE GROUND. Trying to see logic. I see no logic. Go Bush. [queue kazoo music]</p>
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		<title>By: Erika Rae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erika Rae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes! Strawberry, chocolate or vanilla, baby. Mmmm...chocolate. But I digress.  Most of the trees they were cutting were lodge poles - pretty plain. It's the ponderosas that smell like a delicious dessert.  I'm a little proud to say that I did save one ponderosa under consideration. Well...sorta. They might have been about to remove its death sentence voluntarily. But I'm glad. I was about to climb high into the branches and stage a protest the likes of which you have never before heard. I was going to call it the "Get back or I will eat this tree" protest.

I think I'm a little drunk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes! Strawberry, chocolate or vanilla, baby. Mmmm&#8230;chocolate. But I digress.  Most of the trees they were cutting were lodge poles - pretty plain. It&#8217;s the ponderosas that smell like a delicious dessert.  I&#8217;m a little proud to say that I did save one ponderosa under consideration. Well&#8230;sorta. They might have been about to remove its death sentence voluntarily. But I&#8217;m glad. I was about to climb high into the branches and stage a protest the likes of which you have never before heard. I was going to call it the &#8220;Get back or I will eat this tree&#8221; protest.</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;m a little drunk.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Entrekin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Entrekin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given that your documentary is &lt;i&gt;Why We Wax&lt;/i&gt;, Kimberly, I can so see why your mind might have gone elsewhere.

Then again, mine did, too, and I don't wax.  Just judicial man-scaping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that your documentary is <i>Why We Wax</i>, Kimberly, I can so see why your mind might have gone elsewhere.</p>
<p>Then again, mine did, too, and I don&#8217;t wax.  Just judicial man-scaping.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Entrekin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Entrekin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: chainsaws and frustration--

Very few things, I think, quite relieve tension or pent-up any-sort-of-energy besides taking a hatchet to lumber.  Doesn't matter the how or why: just breaking &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt;shit is fantastic. Several years ago, my father decided to dissemble our backyard deck, and by "dissemble" I mean he handed me a three-pound sledge, pointed at the deck, and said "Bring 'er down."

Took me a solid several hours, and I'd wager the only time I've spent several hours better, I've been in a bed.

Also, having left Denver this time last year, I know from those McSuburbs.</description>
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<p>Very few things, I think, quite relieve tension or pent-up any-sort-of-energy besides taking a hatchet to lumber.  Doesn&#8217;t matter the how or why: just breaking <i>any</i>shit is fantastic. Several years ago, my father decided to dissemble our backyard deck, and by &#8220;dissemble&#8221; I mean he handed me a three-pound sledge, pointed at the deck, and said &#8220;Bring &#8216;er down.&#8221;</p>
<p>Took me a solid several hours, and I&#8217;d wager the only time I&#8217;ve spent several hours better, I&#8217;ve been in a bed.</p>
<p>Also, having left Denver this time last year, I know from those McSuburbs.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Cox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George W. Bush is Satan in a suit, but isn't there some kind of logic regarding how man has prevented fires for generations and now the forests are too thick and more likely to burn because the thinning from natural fires doesn't occur?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George W. Bush is Satan in a suit, but isn&#8217;t there some kind of logic regarding how man has prevented fires for generations and now the forests are too thick and more likely to burn because the thinning from natural fires doesn&#8217;t occur?</p>
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