Stairway to Cheez Whiz: Part Two
September 22nd, 2008by Erika Rae
BOULDER, CO-
I come from a family nestled deep within the bosom of the Evangelical church. My parents were academics and argued for faith with conviction and logic. Before the age of 20, I estimate that I attended church services on the order of 3,120 times. It took me well into my 20s until I finally found the strength, the courage, and perhaps caught just enough of a glimpse of the outside world to rebel. Having come out on the other side – still with belief in The Divine I think, although with vastly different definitions and expectations – I find that I am forced to confront my past on a daily basis. I write this as a sort of therapy. It’s healing. And wacky. Regardless, it’s bound to cause me some embarrassment. So here goes: Hi. My name is Erika, and I’m a recovering Evangelical. Now, let’s get started…
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Once the alarm had been rung that the Christian Academy’s girls were playing with Ouija Boards and were on the fast track to becoming Hell’s Handmaidens, it was time to bring in the big guns.
The whole pagan pajama party had apparently been discussed at great length by the parents. Clearly, the youth did not understand what it was messing with. We did not appreciate that we were dealing with powers and principalities unseen. There was a war out there, and dang if we weren’t oblivious to it. On Monday, all of that would change.
Both to our joy and apprehension, we arrived at school to find that we were on chapel schedule that day – despite the fact it was not a normal day for chapel. But what they had to tell us could not wait.
We filed in reverently to the chapel auditorium. Nobody was really talking to anybody else. I purposely avoided sitting next to anybody from the party – even though Leslie had patted the seat beside her as I walked by. I sat near the front wedged in between one of the boys from the varsity basketball team and a woman teacher who had the annoying habit of sniffling every ten seconds. I know this because I timed it. Very annoying. And to top it all off, one of them smelled like tuna fish.
But I would not dwell on this for long. Just as I feared I was about to faint from nausea, the lights were dimmed and a large movie screen at the front demanded our undivided attention. Rock music blared. Colored lights and flashy lightning bolt styled graphics assaulted our retinas. Some of the boys – obviously distanced from the awkwardness of having been busted worshipping the Dark Lord at a slumber party – began pulsing their heads to the rhythm. And then all faded to black.
Over the course of the next hour, my eyes and ears were opened. What I hadn’t known until that moment was that I had been allowing myself to be controlled. Since the time I had heard my very first rock n’ roll song, I had been listening to secret messages from Satan without even knowing it. I thought I had been doing all right with the Lord and obeying His word, when all along I had been taking instructions from the Prince of Darkness, like a college intern with a Steno.
In numb shock I listened as Led Zeppelin sang an anthem to the Dark Lord when the words “a bustle in your hedgerow” were played backwards in Stairway to Heaven, producing “Here’s to my sweet Satan.”
At the time, I had never heard of Stairway to Heaven, being more of a Madonna, Duran Duran, Tears for Fears and Michael Jackson girl myself. Never mind the fact that I had never heard any of these artists above a whisper from my clock radio when I knew my parents were on the other side of the house. But what did that matter? If Satan had polluted one song, what was stopping him from polluting them all?
I listened in rapt awe as the evidence unfolded. Queen told us backwards in Another One Bites the Dust that “It’s fun to smoke marijuana.”
And then there was Jefferson Starship, telling us about the Son of Satan in A Child is Coming and the Electric Light Orchestra telling us backwards that “He is the nasty one/ Christ, you’re infernal/It is said we’re dead men/Everyone who has the mark will live.”
We learned that it was not our fault – that we could not consciously detect that there was a subliminal message hidden in the forward running text of a song. But it was still there, just waiting for our extraordinary brains to interpret and internalize it – even without our permission.
A man named James Vicary had proven it. In his groundbreaking study, a movie audience was flashed images of Coke and popcorn too fast for human perception. As predicted, sales had skyrocketed. That we were not all Devil worshipping blood drinkers and members of a coven after being exposed to the Satanic subliminal messaging was by the grace of God alone.
Some messages were deliberate and clear when played backwards, like the backmasked message from Electric Light Orchestra that “Music is reversible, but time – Turn back! Turn back!” Others were less clear. “It’s fun to smoke marijuana,” for example, sounded a lot more like “Sfun scout mare wanna,” if it weren’t for the handy text samples printed concurrently with the backwards message. And I could really only make out the word “Satan” in the several phrases that were really secret messages to win us to the Evil One. But that just proved how secret the messages were. Didn’t it?
That night, my dreams were riddled with imagery. To this day, I still remember clips. There was a man who looked like a goat with hooves for feet - and a man with long, curly ladies’ hair and a black tongue, which stuck out of his mouth. He was trying to eat me. Missy was there, too. She wore dark rouge like a mistress of the night and kept trying to kiss me on the mouth. We were in her room alone with a hot pink canopy over her bed and the stars that looked like pentagrams.
When I woke up the next day, my heart was beating fast as if I had run a marathon. Clearly, something had been communicating with me secretly over the years and causing me to have dreams like that. I went straight to my tape collection and dumped it out on the bed in search of anything suspicious. I spied a couple of Amy Grants and a Michael W. Smith in the mix and set them protectively to one side. Surely, they weren’t to blame for anything. A Mozart collection I had in my possession lay loose on the bed. Mozart was no born-again Christian, I was pretty sure - but backward messages? My eyes settled on The Magic Flute. The Greek god Pan played the flute. I flung it from my sight.
Then came my Bobby McFerrin. That was just what the Devil wanted us to do – to not worry and be happy.
I pitched it into the trash before I had time to allow Satan’s messengers to instruct me otherwise. I took a deep breath and knelt down by the side of the bed and prayed as hard as I could, begging for forgiveness and cleansing from any evil-doing that I hadn’t known that I had done. A shiver of relief ran through me that I had not caused Tiffany, Missy’s little sister, any harm with my bare hands, as I had fantasized. There. It was over. I had a clean slate.
But it wasn’t over. That next Sunday I arrived at Sunday school to discover that we had a special speaker. I am not sure how our youth Pastor, James, had caught wind of the slumber party, but he was also all fired up on the issue of backmasking and Satanic influence. Then again, he was always fired up about backmasking and Satanic influence. It is entirely possible that this was just a coincidence.
Whispers and murmurs reverberated in the Lion’s Den. What was our king going to reveal to us? Was he going to show the same backmasking video I had seen at school? I was excited at the thought. It was just so effective.
Just that Friday, I had heard in the quiet conversations before and after classes that I had not been alone in my tape disposal efforts. A bunch of the popular guys in the senior class had gathered all of their tapes together, too, taking turns running over them with a car. Some of the boys even reported screams coming from the tapes as they were crushed beneath the wheels. The car belonged to one of the more popular boys in our class, which served to make the event all the more meaningful. If he had gotten rid of his filthy, Satanic tapes – reportedly a long list, including, but not limited to: Styx, Prince, The Eagles, Dead or Alive, and Chicago – then what was stopping anybody else?
Finally, after everyone had found a seat and settled down, a woman we had never seen before approached the front. She had thick, black and gray hair and wore a purple skirt and blouse ensemble.
“Hi. My name is Sheri and I love the Lord. But that wasn’t always the case,” she told us. “Eight years ago, I was a member of The Church of Satan.”
A gasp rippled through the crowd. I had to remind myself to breathe as she told us her story.
It had started innocently enough, she told us. She had gone to a friend’s house to make chocolate chip cookies and to paint each other’s nails. When one of the girls had pulled out a Ouija Board, she had laughed.
“Put away your silly game,” Sheri told her friend. But her friend wouldn’t listen. If only she had listened. Instead, she watched as her friend began asking it questions, and then receiving answers. She thought it was a trick at first, until her friend convinced her to try it so that she could see firsthand.
“OK, if you’re so smart, Mr. Spirit, then what’s my favorite song?” She thought this would surely stump it.
“R-A-D-I-O,” it spelled. She scoffed, thinking that “Radio” was hardly a name for a song.
“It’s telling you to turn on the radio,” her friend informed her. Sheri rolled her eyes and went over to the radio next to her friend’s bed. She turned it on. The song playing was “Devil Went Down to Georgia.” It was her favorite song.
She was hooked after that. Whoever or whatever was communicating with Sheri knew her well. It began to protect her. Once when she and her friends were using the board to communicate with the Spirit, who now went by the name of “Judas,” it told her to go to the window. They did – just as a knocking began at a different window. They ran to check it out and the knocking took up on the other side of the house. They began to cry, chasing it back and forth as it knocked. They went back to the board and begged it to stop.
“I will protect you,” Judas told her. And sure enough, it stopped. Later that very night after she left her friend’s house, she was followed home by a dog. The dog stayed with her at a distance the entire time. And no harm came to her.
We listened in rapt awe as Sheri told us story after story. We knew before that Satan and demons were real, but we had never actually known somebody who claimed to converse with them. She warned us to stay away – that once you were sucked in, it was extremely difficult to get out.
Well, spank my bottom and call me Peanut, if I wasn’t blown away. I suppose it goes without saying, that kind of presentation makes an impression on a 14-year-old. It didn’t exactly occur to me to question whether there was another way to look at the evidence with which we were presented. I mean, there had been lights and cool graphics and scary voices and wicked looking men with ladies’ hair and a real live woman who had been through it. It didn’t occur to me to ask the important questions. Questions like: “Has anybody been able to duplicate Vicary’s popcorn and Coke experiment since the 1950s?” or “How easy is it to find subliminal messages on any sample of singing? Is it possible it is coincidence?” or “If we played Sandi Patti or Amy Grant backwards, would we find other things that kinda sorta sound like something kinda sorta Satanic, too?” or “If you closed your eyes during the supposed subliminal message and didn’t read the text concurrently, would it resemble at all what we were being told it resembled? Did anybody else think that the written text translations of what we were hearing were stretching it just a wee bit?”
I was only 14. I didn’t really get the scientific method yet.
I was only 14. I didn’t know that Vicary had already confessed to faking his numbers.
I was only 14. I didn’t know yet to question whether anybody had checked Sheri’s references and ruled out any possible mental disorders.
I was only 14. It didn’t occur to me that Jesus, Himself, wore what we would consider today to be “ladies’ hair.” Hell, he probably wore ladies, lace-up sandals, too. But it didn’t occur to me to ask these questions.
I was only 14. I didn’t know yet that if you play Weird Al Yankovic’s Nature Trail to Hell backwards, you can find “Satan eats Cheez Whiz.” Like I said, I was only 14.
At home that night after Sheri’s testimony of how she used to bite the heads off chickens in order to please her Lord, I called Scott on the phone. We had been making calls to one another on an almost nightly basis, as of late. We talked so much, in fact, that my father had threatened to hide the phone from my reach. And still, I needed to talk to him. He had admitted to me one time that he had come from a darkened past, himself – something about building a guillotine for his GI Joes when he was a kid.
When he answered, I was instantly in tears. I told him everything – how scared I was. He waited patiently for the sobs to calm down before telling me that he, too, had experienced demonic presence. His house had an unfinished basement, which he avoided for this very reason. Apparently, the “presence” down there was so strong that he could feel it just walking by the door to the stairway.
His ability to detect spiritual presences didn’t end there, either. There was a bookstore across the street from his school in downtown Colorado Springs that had a New Age section. Each time he walked past it, his skin would bristle and it was as if something horrid was breathing its hot, sulfuric breath on the back of his neck. There were times when the feeling was so strong that he had to stop whatever he was doing and make a beeline to the boy’s bathroom where he could pray. It wasn’t as if the bookstore could be avoided, either. About every week or so, Scott’s science teacher would send him over to buy him a coffee at the adjoining coffee shop. He would walk on the opposite side of the store, but it was no use. It was as if the demons were reaching out to him from the bookcases. For a long time, he was so angry at the bookstore owner for allowing such books in the store. In his head, he composed a scathing letter, exposing the demonic influence hidden within the New Age section. And then, one day when his teacher had given him some cash for coffee – plus a little extra so he could buy himself one – it occurred to him. His anger, although justified, had been misplaced. It wasn’t the owner’s fault that he had demons in his store. Every self-respecting independent bookstore had a New Age section. He was just trying to compete. Perhaps he truly did not know better. It was that day that he forgave him in his heart.
I hung up with Scott and took a long, hard look in the mirror. I had been so busy blaming Missy and her friends for what had happened at the slumber party, that I had forgotten that I shared part of the responsibility, too. I had been just as guilty as they had been for cursing her and her sister in my heart. Yes, they had wronged me. They had opened me up to being nearly in the same room as a demon. They had caused me to stumble by showing me a sinful movie. They had enticed me to the Wave, and later to the Sprinkler, and on and on.
Regardless.
Jesus would never hold a grudge. I had to bear at least part of the responsibility, too. In that moment, as I stared back at my own eyes in my bathroom mirror – hoping desperately that the red, burning eyes of the Mother Mary would not appear, as was rumored at a different slumber party I had attended not so long before – I knew what I had to do.
I had to forgive her.
I picked up the phone and dialed her house, fantasizing about what I would say.
“I have something I need to say to you,” I would tell her.
I realized then that she might be a little hostile, but she would hear the earnestness in my voice and would invite me to proceed.
“It’s just this – I forgive you.”
There would be a long silence on the other end of the line, as her heart would be flooded with relief. Although I would not be able to see them, I would know that her eyes were welling up with tears. Any minute, she would break down and I would cry with her. She would ask me how it was that I could let go of all of my resentment. I would tell her all about how Jesus had taken it from me – and He could take it from her, too – if only she would let Him. Once she was saved, we would quickly become best friends, thus validating that I was a normal, at least mildly popular person. She would invite me over to bake brownies. I would invite her over to play ping-pong. Our parents would even see past any denominational issues that existed and go on camping trips together.
“Hello?” Asked a male voice on the other end of the line. It was her dad – the very man who I remembered clear as day doing the Scramble in the family room that ill-fated night. It was an awkward moment.
“Is Missy there?” I asked, emboldened by the memory of what I must do.
“Sorry, no. She’s out with her youth group. Shall I tell her you called?”
I hesitated just long enough to waver.
“No, um, no that’s all right. Thank you. Good-bye.” Click. I hung up. For about a full minute I stared at the wall on the opposite side of the room.
Then I walked straight to my room and dug out the Bobby McFerrin tape from the bottom of my trashcan and tucked it deep in the back of one of my desk drawers.
Yep. Hell’s Handmaiden. Vessel of the Devil. Intern with a Steno.
…And all because a couple of girls thought it would be cute to invite Satan to a slumber party.
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Stairway to Cheez Whiz: Part 1 & 2 comes from the as-of-yet unpublished humor memoir: “In a Handbasket: Confessions of a Recovering Evangelical.” Erika is a freelance writer living in the mountains west of Boulder, CO.
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Oh Erika Rae,
Sheri was either certifiable or a liar.
How does one run a record backwards anyway? Is it really possible?
This church and these people were guilty of child abuse as clear as day. I’m sure they believed they were “saving” you, but they were sadists and they tortured you and your friends.
THEY should burn in Hell!
(You should paint those nightmares. That would wash them out of the front of your brain and tuck them in somewhere you needn’t go again. It works for me.)
Irene, I tried to paint my nightmares. It was hard to get the paintbrush up my nose. I tried beneath my eyelids too. That didn’t work.
Nick, Nick, Nick, it’s really hard to get to the brain. Did you try to get there through your ears? You just give up too soon. Try both ears at the same time. Stick with it. I know you can do it!
You creep me out, Nick. (But in a good way….)
What if the paintbrush goes through one ear and out the other? Goodness, Irene, I don’t know if there is a solution for this painting of ill dreams.
I think you might have to go the more traditional route. Canvas. Paint. Brush. Horrible Memory. That route.
Thinking back, I seem to recall “Sheri” had a strange eye tick… I’m thinking nuthouse. But oh, how I believed her!!!
And I don’t blame the people who told me these things - I’m sure you’re right: they believed they had information that could save me from Hell. Since I no longer believe in Hell - aside from Arby’s and perhaps the men’s restroom at a Phish concert - I’m not so concerned. And if there is a Hell, I still wouldn’t wish that on them. After all, I’m sure I did my share of passing on the myth (I was quite the little zealot) - so to condemn them would be to condemn myself…which, now that I think of it, perhaps I deserve, after all.
Great, now I’ve got the shakes.
Crap.
How horrible it must be to a person who believes in all the fire and brimstone. How unfortunate. Religion is supposed to give you peace and comfort. It can, done right.
Agreed.
The strange thing is that Hell is only mentioned in the New Testament…so was it founded in 33AD?
I don’t know when it was founded, but it’s pretty much everywhere these days.
I’m just glad when I go - there’ll be plenty of friends with me!
Peanut! smack smack ! Peanut!! smack!!
Kinda kinky.
I don’t know about the word, “peanut” though. Perhaps that stems from an early 1980s fascination with the Charlie Brown Christmas, Special and the pagan obsession in the cartoon with a wilted tree that can’t get it up. I once heard in a sermon that the tree promoted a global, albeit, devilish sympathy for pagan sex rituals. A few years later, suddenly viagra was invented. Your peanut spanking want could be a residue of longing, from those years, of you wishing you were still a child and exposing yourself to the abrasive affects of such devilry.
Seriously, Bakersfield, where I live and where the same DA is still in power, there were ritualistic sexual abuse child molestation cases. They spawned a global witchhunt for the kinds of people that they claimed existed. Of course the children’s testimonies were coerced and I believe the system was influenced by people just like the insane woman who spoke at your church.
Those people were everywhere in the 1980s, ripping off churches, selling books by the bucketload of falsely professed satanic ritual killings, molestations and the like. My novel, “Lords: Part One” gets into some of that. It’s the sequel that really dives in to that maddening culture of the 1980s, where tough-minded pastors would preach fire and damnation to a room full of kids because the pastor knew they wore jeans to school.
And yet time and again we hear of such pastors screwing their church secretaries and churches splitting because of power issues.
I’m proud of my boys. They deal with me and yet they are powerful musicians in their church. Jordan plays in this cool church indie band. It’s progressive and the people are pretty darn cool. They wear shorts, T-shirts… and they are allowed to have their identities.
Landen performs for three different churches. His secular rock band is allowed to practice at the church and I even let him have a tattoo over the summer. He’s 17. He’s a brilliant kid. And if he wants to help get kids off the street by performing kick ass rock music to them. Then I can’t deny such.
Yet I can’t help to think there are still many churches using their horrid forms of social control like Roman Emperors did during the early days of Christianity in Rome…
Call me peanut again. Heh heh.
Sorry for all the typos. Geez. Dang.
You see, this is exactly why I love the TNB. Not only am I advised to try painting my nightmares (by sticking a paintbrush up my nose), but I get to hear all about people’s personal lives, pastors screwing secretaries (happened at my church, too) - and then I get an apology for typos.
Landen sounds great. I would have totally had a crush on him in high school. And I’m not down about church - not at all. Religion is only as wacky as people make it - all across the board. I just happened to have been in the thick of some of the wackiness. I’m not angry about it - although I know some people who come out the other side are. But it does help to talk about it - helps me sort out who I am and why. Believe it or not, I actually still attend, albeit on a somewhat irregular basis. It’s just not an evangelical church a la the style I went to as a kid. At any rate, my relationship with that elusive being we call “God” has become far less publicly motivated than it used to be, you might say. I have respect for anyone truly seeking - no matter the religion, denomination, or even anti-religion.
And I didn’t take it as God-bashing in any way. You were just storytelling. And wow, you were entrenched in the wackiness. Looking forward to more of your story.
I’m going on the radio on Thursday and will talk about this piece.
Wow - thanks, Nick. I feel so honored. I think you should sing Stairway. Landen could play.
We could make cook retro back masking T-shirts.
cool I mean…. gosh I can’t type today.
Erika Rae, He really did mean cook. He’s way weird.
Irene, why are you kissing a polar bear in that photo?
I have two polar bears. They are Therapy polar bears. They do good works. Only I can control them. If I give them the evil eye roll, you’re toast, so you better wipe that look off your face!
Irene… I want to hear some kind of travel story from you. I bet you have some doozies… travel story? please? This is my official request.
And Irene, I want to hear about your pet Therapy polar bears. And the evil eye roll. Yes, I’d definitely like to hear more about the evil eye roll.
OK - that was really freaky - I tried to post the following, and it said that I had already posted this comment:
“And Irene, I want to hear about your pet Therapy polar bears. And the evil eye roll. Yes, I’d definitely like to hear more about the evil eye roll.”
I’m totally losing my mind. That, or Satan is in the TNB comments function. (Demons out!)
I think the goldfish in my house with one big eye and one little eye is Satan. It’s pet name is Fluffy. It’s mission? To tear souls away from God and send them into a fishy void.
I’m not lying.
With look on your gravatar’s face…I believe you.
And what do you know…Satan did put my comment up twice. Kind of like a Doppelcomment.
First of all: DON’T FLUSH FLUFFY! It’s like trying to wash a cockroach down a sink. He climbs backup and GETS YOU!
Second: Okay. Travel story. But remember I am merely human, and an old one at that, I cannot write at the splendid hyper rate of the way-more-than-human Rick the wonder cricket.
Third: Erika Rae, you DON’T want to know about the evil eye roll. (But I’ll think it over.)
Fourth: I will tell you about my pet Therapy polar bears, but when the time is right, Erika Rae. ONLY because you coined the best word ever: “doppelcomment.”
Erika Rae, NL the silent won’t tell me. Which is his real face? He’s so mercurial!
I don’t know about cooking T-shirts. Might be kind of burny tasting. I guess it’d be kinda cool
…And if we’re lucky, they will shriek like the devil and little crawly things will come out of them as we cook them over the pyre.
Erika Rae, this is getting better and better! I want to come!!!
Irene - let’s take the guy from the old folks home with sciatica. He might be useful on the scene in case we have to perform an exorcism on Nick’s burning retro backmasking T shirts. Nick, bring Fluffy, a silver spike, and 7 cloves of garlic.
I’m there! And I’ll bring Sciatica Guy! This is going to be so much fun!
Wow, I totally remember that video too. And the crazy scary goat guy. And not really knowing who these evil bands were, but noticing that artist-guy Graham was very upset about The Cure being called out. I was only 15 myself, and these feelings of torn allegiances were new: do I side with my church, or with my satanic-music-listening friend?
I also clearly recall driving behind the SUV of the ‘popular guys’ back from the senior retreat, going down a mountain pass. The sunroof opened and a guy popped out throwing cassette tapes over the edge. What a high school!
Wow. Throwing cassette tapes out of a moving car. That was totally B-, wasn’t it? Or was it S-? Or A-?
And you’re right - the funniest part is that the video was about all these bands that teenagers of the late 80s didn’t give a shit about (or had never heard of). But - oooo - were we on fire to eradicate them!!!
I remember Graham. I’ll bet he’s still cool. I’ll bet he still likes the Cure, too.
I don’t even know how to comment. Records weren’t really around by the time I entered high school. I got my first CD in 7th grade (Reality Bites…it had the F— word in one of the songs and I would turn it down every single time it came on). Then in 8th grade I got Green Day’s “Dookie” and Alanis Morrisette’s “Jagged Little Pill” and I stopped caring about the F— words and started caring about “going down on [someone] in a theater” and “being all by [himself] and no one was looking….” wondering what the heck that meant. Awww, naive little sprite I was…and those CD’s were purchased right on the cusp of my christian awakening. Within the year I would totally be “uber-Christian” asking my friends not to cuss around me!
The funny thing was that none of us were going around listening to records at that point either. We had all switched over to cassette tapes. Fortunately, the guy narrating the video with the deep, conspiratorial voice had a record player, though. Otherwise, we might never have known…
I destroyed an Ozzy album once out of religious fervor. Pretty dumb of me. I want it back.
My boyfriend and I destroyed a “Dead or Alive.” I miss that one, too. “You spin me right round baby, right round, like a record baby…”
Everyone!
“I want your looooooo-oo-oo-o-o-ooove!
And oh yes…Ozzy was on the hit list for biting the head off a real bat, among other things.
I can still feel his LP crunch under my shoe. That’s what I got for being sucked into a friendship with a pentecostal kid in the 80s.
The only record from which I’ve ever heard a message spun backwards was a Christian one, by, of all folks, Prince. I think somewhere in Sign O The Times. Prince very clearly says “How are you? I’m fine. I’m happy ’cause the lord is coming soon. Coming, coming soon.” Yes this is the same Prince who was a few years ago noted for going door to door in Minneapolis doing his Jehovah Witness duty (around the same time he was writing “Future Baby Mama”, I’d expect). Religion and music are both pervasive and its easy, natural, and who knows, maybe even correct to see them as essential gradients. In which case, Hell and Heaven are just the asymptotes. I can’t get with wagging my finger too hard at evangelicals. Shoot, if Prince stopped by with Awake/Watchtower, I’d snatch ‘em up as long as he autographed the pair, and then interspersed his gospel of the day with any lurid tales he had off-head about Sheila E. I’m just sayin’.
asymptote - a straight line associated with a curve such that as a point moves along an infinite branch of the curve the distance from the point to the line approaches zero and the slope of the curve at the point approaches the slope of the line.
I’m just sayin’.
(Love you, Uche!!!)
Love you too. After all, we’re kinda twins, aren’t we? Archangel Gabriel (or Jibreel, if ya like) though it would be a good joke to send us to different wombs.
Uche - I’ve been kind of hoping you have noticed the resemblance. People do tend to confuse us a lot. Our mutual friends have often slipped and called me ‘Uche’, so…yeah, I guess it’s just been a matter of time til you noticed.
On a serious note, though, I don’t believe I have ever received a higher compliment. I’m honored to be your twin! (I’m even happy to be the dumb one.)
And I still say Prince rules the world with “When the Doves Cry.” That’s just how I roll.
A local youth pastor gave us hell for our music so we recorded an Amy Grant song on my buddy’s dad’s reel to reel and played it backwards and I kid you not it said “here’s your pu**y”
Or at least it sounded like it did.
We tape recorded that and gleefully played it for the youth group guys but they were like “no way no way.”
They actually acted offended that we would attempt such but they left Ozzy alone after that.
Actually the concept of hell is throughout the Old and New Testament, but chiefly when Yeshua mentions Hell it is Sheol or Gehenna which metaphorically alluded to the garbage dump just outside of town, in which he was effectively saying “dont waste your life with stupid living.”
Live in the moment, be attentive, seek the good.”
The Greek never mentions anything about an eternal damnation, the belief is that is mostly a concoction by the evil forces of religion to better control people with.
But dont take my word for it, check it out yourself. He did say you have to work out your own spirituality. Wish they’d preach that awhile.
jmbshadowman, you are a genius! I should have known that stuff, but I didn’t and now I do. I will study more because it is really embarrassing to be obviously stupid.
(and you’re right. They should preach that. The way it’s supposed to be.)
I now renounce wasting any more of my life with stupid living! (This is an official pronouncement.)
RIght, we can thank John of Patmos (who may or may not be John the Apostle) for the fire&brimstone vision of heaven, and we can thank St. Augustine for the infinite bland goodness vision of heaven. The fact that both post-dated Jesus doesn’t really invalidate beliefs in those visions. The modern Christian church has always been more than just a Church of Christ. It’s a Church of selective adaptation to Christ, and then selective adaptation of Christ himself, and then the political machinations of the Apostles spr